1 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:23,210 [Music] 2 00:00:23,220 --> 00:00:26,030 you 3 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:30,530 my name is Kathleen Martin and I am the 4 00:00:35,570 --> 00:00:33,090 niece of Betty and Barney Hill I am also 5 00:00:38,060 --> 00:00:35,580 an independent researcher and I'm 6 00:00:40,490 --> 00:00:38,070 associated with mutual UFO network as 7 00:00:44,510 --> 00:00:40,500 their director of experience or research 8 00:00:45,820 --> 00:00:44,520 and the Edgar Mitchell foundation for 9 00:00:48,470 --> 00:00:45,830 research into extraterrestrial 10 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:48,480 encounters I'm on the board of directors 11 00:00:53,260 --> 00:00:50,850 and I'm a research associate there as 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:53,270 well but I'm primarily an independent 13 00:00:58,460 --> 00:00:55,770 investigator and researcher and the 14 00:01:03,410 --> 00:00:58,470 author of four books co-author of four 15 00:01:06,469 --> 00:01:03,420 and I was 13 years old when Betty Hill 16 00:01:10,070 --> 00:01:06,479 phoned my mother my mother was Betty's 17 00:01:12,440 --> 00:01:10,080 younger sister and she and my uncle 18 00:01:15,680 --> 00:01:12,450 Barney had been on a brief vacation to 19 00:01:19,039 --> 00:01:15,690 Niagara Falls they returned home through 20 00:01:21,320 --> 00:01:19,049 Montreal and through the white mountains 21 00:01:24,080 --> 00:01:21,330 of New Hampshire to their home on the 22 00:01:27,890 --> 00:01:24,090 Seacoast of New Hampshire which is it's 23 00:01:30,860 --> 00:01:27,900 just a 17 mile seacoast and they lived 24 00:01:33,830 --> 00:01:30,870 in Portsmouth New Hampshire and the 25 00:01:37,850 --> 00:01:33,840 previous evening as they were returning 26 00:01:42,410 --> 00:01:37,860 home Betty told my mother that she and 27 00:01:45,260 --> 00:01:42,420 Barney had seen a flying saucer and they 28 00:01:48,680 --> 00:01:45,270 had seen it very very close it was so 29 00:01:50,900 --> 00:01:48,690 close to them that they were concerned 30 00:01:53,930 --> 00:01:50,910 they might have been exposed to 31 00:01:56,330 --> 00:01:53,940 radiation and they wanted to know what 32 00:01:58,580 --> 00:01:56,340 to do they had taken very long showers 33 00:02:01,460 --> 00:01:58,590 they had left their clothing out on the 34 00:02:04,310 --> 00:02:01,470 back porch they had food with them and 35 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:04,320 they left their food in a cooler and 36 00:02:09,020 --> 00:02:06,930 they were going to throw that away they 37 00:02:11,600 --> 00:02:09,030 were very concerned we had a neighbor 38 00:02:15,589 --> 00:02:11,610 who was a physicist and my mother called 39 00:02:19,430 --> 00:02:15,599 the physicists and for some reason he 40 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:19,440 said that if Betty had a compass she 41 00:02:24,500 --> 00:02:21,330 should take it out to the car to see how 42 00:02:29,390 --> 00:02:24,510 the needle of the compass reacted to the 43 00:02:32,780 --> 00:02:29,400 car well she did and the compass needle 44 00:02:34,819 --> 00:02:32,790 would spin and spin indicating that 45 00:02:37,429 --> 00:02:34,829 there were counter-rotating magnetic 46 00:02:39,559 --> 00:02:37,439 fields on the trunk of that vehicle we 47 00:02:41,839 --> 00:02:39,569 have seen that in other cases 48 00:02:45,349 --> 00:02:41,849 of close contact with UFOs and 49 00:02:47,539 --> 00:02:45,359 abductions as the story unfolded over 50 00:02:50,420 --> 00:02:47,549 the next couple of days my family and I 51 00:02:53,319 --> 00:02:50,430 drove to Portsmouth New Hampshire I had 52 00:02:56,690 --> 00:02:53,329 two younger brothers mother and father - 53 00:03:00,170 --> 00:02:56,700 Betty and Barney's home and I was able 54 00:03:03,740 --> 00:03:00,180 to hear the story firsthand then I saw 55 00:03:07,819 --> 00:03:03,750 the spots on the trunk of the car what I 56 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:07,829 found out is that Betty and Barney had a 57 00:03:15,409 --> 00:03:10,530 sighting that lasted for probably about 58 00:03:18,530 --> 00:03:15,419 an hour this UFO came in closer and 59 00:03:21,830 --> 00:03:18,540 closer as they drove along they stopped 60 00:03:26,149 --> 00:03:21,840 a couple of times to look at it and at 61 00:03:28,670 --> 00:03:26,159 one point it swooped down so low that 62 00:03:32,089 --> 00:03:28,680 they thought it was maybe a hundred feet 63 00:03:34,250 --> 00:03:32,099 off the ground and Bonnie stepped out of 64 00:03:37,039 --> 00:03:34,260 the car he left the car running betty 65 00:03:39,199 --> 00:03:37,049 was seated in the passenger seat he 66 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:39,209 looked up through binoculars at this 67 00:03:46,179 --> 00:03:43,650 craft and he saw a lighted windows and 68 00:03:49,429 --> 00:03:46,189 behind those windows he saw figures 69 00:03:52,189 --> 00:03:49,439 looking down at him it moved to an 70 00:03:55,729 --> 00:03:52,199 adjacent field and he followed the craft 71 00:04:00,199 --> 00:03:55,739 into the field and it descended even 72 00:04:05,710 --> 00:04:00,209 lower as he was looking all but one of 73 00:04:10,309 --> 00:04:05,720 those figures that he described as being 74 00:04:13,670 --> 00:04:10,319 somehow non-human but dressed in shiny 75 00:04:17,330 --> 00:04:13,680 black uniforms all but one moved away 76 00:04:21,589 --> 00:04:17,340 from the windows and went to a panel on 77 00:04:24,589 --> 00:04:21,599 the backside of this corridor and when 78 00:04:26,930 --> 00:04:24,599 they did he could see them from their 79 00:04:30,050 --> 00:04:26,940 knees all the way to the tops of their 80 00:04:32,870 --> 00:04:30,060 heads he saw their arms go up into the 81 00:04:36,409 --> 00:04:32,880 air and when that happened thin like 82 00:04:38,779 --> 00:04:36,419 structures started to come out of the 83 00:04:41,350 --> 00:04:38,789 sides of this craft there were red 84 00:04:44,510 --> 00:04:41,360 lights on the ends of these fins and the 85 00:04:47,330 --> 00:04:44,520 UFO tipped toward him and started to 86 00:04:50,060 --> 00:04:47,340 descend lower something started to drop 87 00:04:52,939 --> 00:04:50,070 down out of the bottom of this craft he 88 00:04:53,450 --> 00:04:52,949 was greatly distressed and frightened 89 00:04:58,159 --> 00:04:53,460 they 90 00:04:59,930 --> 00:04:58,169 ran back to the car screaming to Betty 91 00:05:02,450 --> 00:04:59,940 they had to get out of there or they 92 00:05:05,749 --> 00:05:02,460 were going to be captured and as he was 93 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:05,759 running back he saw this craft move 94 00:05:11,300 --> 00:05:09,090 again he believed it was going to be 95 00:05:13,610 --> 00:05:11,310 over the top of the car so as he went 96 00:05:16,010 --> 00:05:13,620 speeding down the highway he said to 97 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:16,020 Betty roll down your window and look up 98 00:05:21,770 --> 00:05:18,930 see if you can see them she did she was 99 00:05:24,050 --> 00:05:21,780 expecting to see lights she didn't see 100 00:05:27,740 --> 00:05:24,060 the lights on the craft all she saw was 101 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:27,750 blackness and then she and Barney heard 102 00:05:32,930 --> 00:05:30,570 a series of code like buzzing sounds 103 00:05:36,140 --> 00:05:32,940 that appeared to be striking the trunk 104 00:05:38,779 --> 00:05:36,150 of their vehicle in the area where they 105 00:05:41,180 --> 00:05:38,789 found these counter-rotating magnetic 106 00:05:46,749 --> 00:05:41,190 fields where their compass needles would 107 00:05:51,230 --> 00:05:46,759 spin and spin the following day and then 108 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:51,240 something happened they felt a vibration 109 00:05:57,110 --> 00:05:54,630 in their vehicle they felt a tingling 110 00:06:00,649 --> 00:05:57,120 sensation passed through their bodies 111 00:06:03,140 --> 00:06:00,659 and the next thing they knew they were 112 00:06:06,230 --> 00:06:03,150 thirty five miles down the highway with 113 00:06:09,050 --> 00:06:06,240 almost no memory of what had happened in 114 00:06:11,689 --> 00:06:09,060 the interim they remembered that 115 00:06:14,360 --> 00:06:11,699 somewhere along the way they encountered 116 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:14,370 a roadblock they didn't know where or 117 00:06:22,100 --> 00:06:18,570 when that occurred they had a need for 118 00:06:24,709 --> 00:06:22,110 human contact they wanted to find the 119 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:24,719 State Police there are any patrolmen who 120 00:06:30,709 --> 00:06:26,849 might be out so they could report this 121 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:30,719 immediately they heard a second series 122 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:32,610 of buzzing sounds on the trunk of the 123 00:06:38,810 --> 00:06:35,490 car at that point Barney stopped the car 124 00:06:41,899 --> 00:06:38,820 he shifted the car from side to side on 125 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:41,909 the road trying to reproduce that sound 126 00:06:47,749 --> 00:06:44,490 he could not do that 127 00:06:52,550 --> 00:06:47,759 Betty looked up again she didn't see a 128 00:06:55,459 --> 00:06:52,560 UFO that time they drove home and when 129 00:06:57,430 --> 00:06:55,469 they arrived home it was a couple of 130 00:07:00,649 --> 00:06:57,440 hours later than they had anticipated 131 00:07:03,980 --> 00:07:00,659 and that is when they found evidence 132 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:03,990 that something extraordinary had 133 00:07:06,710 --> 00:07:05,010 happened to them 134 00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:06,720 something they couldn't remember 135 00:07:14,420 --> 00:07:09,290 Betty's dress was torn in several 136 00:07:17,180 --> 00:07:14,430 locations there was a 2-inch tear in the 137 00:07:21,110 --> 00:07:17,190 stitching on the zipper at the back of 138 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:21,120 her dress there was a one-inch tear in 139 00:07:28,130 --> 00:07:24,570 the thick of zipper fabric hurt mm was 140 00:07:30,820 --> 00:07:28,140 torn down on one side the lining of her 141 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:30,830 dress was torn from waist to hemline 142 00:07:36,530 --> 00:07:33,630 Barney's best dress shoes and he was a 143 00:07:39,260 --> 00:07:36,540 meticulous dresser his best dress shoes 144 00:07:41,990 --> 00:07:39,270 were so deeply scraped he had to go out 145 00:07:45,140 --> 00:07:42,000 and buy new shoes and wore them for yard 146 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:45,150 work after that the VIN oculist route 147 00:07:51,470 --> 00:07:47,730 that he had around his neck as he was 148 00:07:54,610 --> 00:07:51,480 standing in that field had broken it was 149 00:07:57,170 --> 00:07:54,620 a leather strap and it was severed as I 150 00:07:59,510 --> 00:07:57,180 imagined because he pulled those 151 00:08:02,570 --> 00:07:59,520 binoculars down from his eyes so 152 00:08:07,070 --> 00:08:02,580 violently as he was attempting to escape 153 00:08:09,770 --> 00:08:07,080 from the eyes of that individual who was 154 00:08:14,330 --> 00:08:09,780 standing at the window looking down at 155 00:08:16,790 --> 00:08:14,340 him who so greatly frightened him the 156 00:08:20,450 --> 00:08:16,800 watches they were wearing that night had 157 00:08:23,090 --> 00:08:20,460 stopped and never ran again they there 158 00:08:27,770 --> 00:08:23,100 was a lot of evidence that something 159 00:08:31,610 --> 00:08:27,780 very perplexing had happened but they 160 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:31,620 had no memory for what had happened 161 00:08:37,490 --> 00:08:34,650 during that two hour period of missing 162 00:08:40,700 --> 00:08:37,500 time they remembered the UFO Barney 163 00:08:43,190 --> 00:08:40,710 remembered Irving the nonhumans on board 164 00:08:45,650 --> 00:08:43,200 that craft they remembered the second 165 00:08:48,560 --> 00:08:45,660 series of buzzing sounds it's all in the 166 00:08:49,910 --> 00:08:48,570 early reports that they made to the Air 167 00:08:53,690 --> 00:08:49,920 Force project Bluebook 168 00:08:56,030 --> 00:08:53,700 and also to NICAP but Barney left out 169 00:08:57,950 --> 00:08:56,040 the part about observing nonhumans on 170 00:09:00,530 --> 00:08:57,960 the craft because he was afraid of 171 00:09:03,050 --> 00:09:00,540 ridicule he thought the the Air Force 172 00:09:05,180 --> 00:09:03,060 would think he was crazy so he left that 173 00:09:06,770 --> 00:09:05,190 out but he didn't leave that out when he 174 00:09:08,690 --> 00:09:06,780 made the report to the National 175 00:09:11,270 --> 00:09:08,700 Investigations Committee on aerial 176 00:09:13,550 --> 00:09:11,280 phenomena and they found that committee 177 00:09:16,730 --> 00:09:13,560 because Betty checked the first book she 178 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:16,740 had ever read on that subject out of the 179 00:09:20,630 --> 00:09:18,810 Portsmouth Public Library 180 00:09:23,300 --> 00:09:20,640 couple of days after they arrived home 181 00:09:25,910 --> 00:09:23,310 and she read that book and the address 182 00:09:28,100 --> 00:09:25,920 was in that book and that's why she and 183 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:28,110 Barney wrote their letter and their 184 00:09:35,150 --> 00:09:31,529 report to nycap it was an incredible 185 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:35,160 story they underwent hypnosis a couple 186 00:09:43,970 --> 00:09:39,810 of years later and initially they wanted 187 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:43,980 Barney to undergo hypnosis because he 188 00:09:49,460 --> 00:09:46,050 knew those figures were somehow not 189 00:09:53,210 --> 00:09:49,470 human he could describe at the uniform 190 00:09:57,019 --> 00:09:53,220 he even could describe a facial 191 00:10:01,010 --> 00:09:57,029 expression but he did not remember all 192 00:10:03,530 --> 00:10:01,020 the details of their faces and they had 193 00:10:05,870 --> 00:10:03,540 that period of missing time and they 194 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:05,880 thought that he developed a mental block 195 00:10:12,710 --> 00:10:08,850 after he had observed those nonhumans 196 00:10:15,190 --> 00:10:12,720 and felt so threatened by them and it 197 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:15,200 took them a couple of years to find a 198 00:10:22,850 --> 00:10:16,410 psychiatrist 199 00:10:27,590 --> 00:10:22,860 highly competent in using deep trance 200 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:27,600 hypnosis in order to help people to 201 00:10:35,090 --> 00:10:31,290 overcome psychosomatic symptoms that 202 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:35,100 they were experiencing as a result of an 203 00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:37,650 intense emotional experience 204 00:10:42,860 --> 00:10:40,350 dr. Benjamin Simon had had a great deal 205 00:10:45,290 --> 00:10:42,870 of success in working with veterans 206 00:10:48,290 --> 00:10:45,300 returning from World War two who 207 00:10:52,730 --> 00:10:48,300 couldn't go back into society because 208 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:52,740 their experiences in the war were so 209 00:10:56,650 --> 00:10:54,810 traumatic that they might have been 210 00:10:59,570 --> 00:10:56,660 blinded even though there wasn't a 211 00:11:02,120 --> 00:10:59,580 physiological reason for that blinding 212 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:02,130 or there might have been crippled and 213 00:11:08,210 --> 00:11:05,010 unable to walk because of the 214 00:11:11,720 --> 00:11:08,220 psychological effect of the experience 215 00:11:15,530 --> 00:11:11,730 they had dr. Simon said that Barney's 216 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:15,540 trauma was as great as any shell-shocked 217 00:11:24,019 --> 00:11:19,650 victim that he ever treated bonny feared 218 00:11:26,870 --> 00:11:24,029 for his death for his life this was an 219 00:11:29,930 --> 00:11:26,880 experience that was very traumatic for 220 00:11:32,100 --> 00:11:29,940 him and dr. Simon worked with both 221 00:11:36,269 --> 00:11:32,110 Barney and Betty 222 00:11:38,610 --> 00:11:36,279 separately for a period of six months he 223 00:11:42,810 --> 00:11:38,620 hypnotized each of them and he did 224 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:42,820 therapy with each of them he induced 225 00:11:50,100 --> 00:11:46,450 amnesia at the end of each of their 226 00:11:52,769 --> 00:11:50,110 individual sessions for two reasons one 227 00:11:55,650 --> 00:11:52,779 reason was the trauma was so great that 228 00:11:58,079 --> 00:11:55,660 it could have caused further emotional 229 00:12:01,019 --> 00:11:58,089 damage to them particularly to Barney if 230 00:12:05,100 --> 00:12:01,029 they remembered all of that at one time 231 00:12:07,740 --> 00:12:05,110 and so the second reason it was because 232 00:12:11,009 --> 00:12:07,750 he didn't want them to share the details 233 00:12:14,670 --> 00:12:11,019 of their experience with one another and 234 00:12:16,680 --> 00:12:14,680 that is very important because I was 235 00:12:20,100 --> 00:12:16,690 able to compare their separate 236 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:20,110 statements to dr. Simon line up those 237 00:12:26,910 --> 00:12:23,610 statements the comparative analysis to 238 00:12:30,180 --> 00:12:26,920 discover whether Betty's and Barney's 239 00:12:33,590 --> 00:12:30,190 statements correlated in detail and I 240 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:33,600 found out that they did and I also 241 00:12:41,160 --> 00:12:38,050 compared those statements to five dreams 242 00:12:45,780 --> 00:12:41,170 that Betty had had and had written down 243 00:12:47,939 --> 00:12:45,790 in 1961 and what I found was that Betty 244 00:12:50,550 --> 00:12:47,949 and Barney statements about what 245 00:12:55,050 --> 00:12:50,560 happened on that craft and as they were 246 00:12:59,340 --> 00:12:55,060 abducted matched but they did not match 247 00:13:02,160 --> 00:12:59,350 Betty's dream material in detail in all 248 00:13:05,250 --> 00:13:02,170 cases so that led me to believe that 249 00:13:07,740 --> 00:13:05,260 this was indeed a true experience and 250 00:13:10,380 --> 00:13:07,750 there was a tremendous amount of 251 00:13:12,630 --> 00:13:10,390 physical evidence at as well that has 252 00:13:15,420 --> 00:13:12,640 been investigated scientifically 253 00:13:18,389 --> 00:13:15,430 chemical analysis has been done on 254 00:13:21,180 --> 00:13:18,399 Betty's dress with anomalous findings in 255 00:13:23,130 --> 00:13:21,190 five different laboratories there's a 256 00:13:27,060 --> 00:13:23,140 tremendous amount of physical evidence 257 00:13:29,550 --> 00:13:27,070 here Betty and Barney were credible 258 00:13:31,740 --> 00:13:29,560 individual she was a social worker for 259 00:13:33,900 --> 00:13:31,750 the state of New Hampshire he had served 260 00:13:37,170 --> 00:13:33,910 honorably in the Army during World War 261 00:13:39,360 --> 00:13:37,180 two his release papers say that he was 262 00:13:41,460 --> 00:13:39,370 of excellent character they were 263 00:13:43,980 --> 00:13:41,470 church-going people they were very 264 00:13:47,400 --> 00:13:43,990 involved in community affairs in 265 00:13:49,170 --> 00:13:47,410 fact in 1965 Barney was appointed to the 266 00:13:51,570 --> 00:13:49,180 u.s. Civil Rights Commission state 267 00:13:54,030 --> 00:13:51,580 Advisory Committee in the state of New 268 00:13:57,329 --> 00:13:54,040 Hampshire he was also given a 269 00:13:59,490 --> 00:13:57,339 commendation by Sargent Shriver through 270 00:14:01,380 --> 00:13:59,500 the for the good work he had done in 271 00:14:04,740 --> 00:14:01,390 Portsmouth New Hampshire through the 272 00:14:06,750 --> 00:14:04,750 Office of Economic Opportunity setting 273 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:06,760 up the Rockingham County Community 274 00:14:11,850 --> 00:14:09,250 Action Program and he was the first 275 00:14:15,210 --> 00:14:11,860 chairman of the board of directors for 276 00:14:17,610 --> 00:14:15,220 that committee and Betty worked at his 277 00:14:20,310 --> 00:14:17,620 side they worked as a couple together 278 00:14:22,500 --> 00:14:20,320 doing these good things for the people 279 00:14:25,260 --> 00:14:22,510 of this country in the civil rights 280 00:14:29,730 --> 00:14:25,270 movement they were an interracial couple 281 00:14:32,670 --> 00:14:29,740 and for the people of New Hampshire they 282 00:14:35,699 --> 00:14:32,680 worked on voters rights during the time 283 00:14:38,850 --> 00:14:35,709 when people had to pass a literacy test 284 00:14:42,030 --> 00:14:38,860 in order to vote and they worked on that 285 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:42,040 literacy program so that everyone who 286 00:14:46,500 --> 00:14:43,570 wanted to vote would have that 287 00:14:49,650 --> 00:14:46,510 opportunity the three of us were invited 288 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:49,660 guests at Lyndon Johnson's inauguration 289 00:14:54,750 --> 00:14:51,910 and we went to that inauguration 290 00:14:57,720 --> 00:14:54,760 together so what I'm saying is they were 291 00:15:01,910 --> 00:14:57,730 credible there was scientific evidence 292 00:15:06,150 --> 00:15:01,920 there was missing time these were not 293 00:15:11,160 --> 00:15:06,160 emotionally unstable individuals it was 294 00:15:13,470 --> 00:15:11,170 only the experience itself no one but we 295 00:15:17,130 --> 00:15:13,480 knew of had had that experience before 296 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:17,140 them they feared for their life when 297 00:15:23,880 --> 00:15:20,170 this occurred and that is what led to 298 00:15:26,490 --> 00:15:23,890 the trauma they experienced but after 299 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:26,500 that they and after their treatment with 300 00:15:32,340 --> 00:15:29,170 dr. Simon they went on and they were 301 00:15:35,550 --> 00:15:32,350 highly productive in their work the 302 00:15:39,660 --> 00:15:35,560 question that many people have asked is 303 00:15:43,050 --> 00:15:39,670 did being an interracial couple make 304 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:43,060 this more difficult for them and I 305 00:15:51,210 --> 00:15:48,730 believe that in a sense it did Betty and 306 00:15:53,910 --> 00:15:51,220 Barney were very active in the civil 307 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:53,920 rights movement as I said they were very 308 00:16:00,030 --> 00:15:57,010 strong individuals 309 00:16:03,030 --> 00:16:00,040 they never wanted this story to go 310 00:16:05,310 --> 00:16:03,040 public they spoke to the family about it 311 00:16:07,410 --> 00:16:05,320 they're friends they spoke to people at 312 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:07,420 their church they spoke to UFO 313 00:16:13,410 --> 00:16:10,210 investigators they spoke to scientists 314 00:16:15,300 --> 00:16:13,420 about their experience they were 315 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:15,310 perplexed they wanted to know what 316 00:16:21,480 --> 00:16:17,530 happened they wanted to learn more about 317 00:16:25,670 --> 00:16:21,490 this but it went public as a through a 318 00:16:29,610 --> 00:16:25,680 violation of confidentiality in 1965 and 319 00:16:33,210 --> 00:16:29,620 when that happened we met as a family 320 00:16:36,780 --> 00:16:33,220 and we discussed what we should do how 321 00:16:39,930 --> 00:16:36,790 they should proceed from here and we 322 00:16:43,380 --> 00:16:39,940 agreed that since the articles that were 323 00:16:46,290 --> 00:16:43,390 in the Boston traveller for five days in 324 00:16:49,740 --> 00:16:46,300 a row about their experience were not 325 00:16:52,950 --> 00:16:49,750 entirely accurate and since the cat was 326 00:16:56,070 --> 00:16:52,960 out of the bag that they should go 327 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:56,080 public and so they did at that point and 328 00:17:01,200 --> 00:16:57,730 they allowed a book to be written about 329 00:17:03,330 --> 00:17:01,210 their experience as well they were 330 00:17:06,630 --> 00:17:03,340 afraid they would lose their jobs they 331 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:06,640 would lose their credibility they kept 332 00:17:14,360 --> 00:17:10,930 their jobs their supervisors were in 333 00:17:17,790 --> 00:17:14,370 were questioned were interviewed and 334 00:17:20,070 --> 00:17:17,800 they spoke up for Betty and Barney and 335 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:20,080 talked about what good honest people 336 00:17:25,710 --> 00:17:22,510 they were how hard-working they were 337 00:17:29,430 --> 00:17:25,720 Betty supervisors said that he wished he 338 00:17:32,100 --> 00:17:29,440 had six more people just like her so it 339 00:17:34,980 --> 00:17:32,110 didn't affect them in that sense but 340 00:17:36,570 --> 00:17:34,990 there were direct detractors who thought 341 00:17:39,270 --> 00:17:36,580 that they somehow wanted to bring 342 00:17:41,340 --> 00:17:39,280 attention to themselves because they 343 00:17:43,950 --> 00:17:41,350 were an interracial couple that 344 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:43,960 certainly is not something that an 345 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:47,170 interracial married couple in 1961 and 346 00:17:54,270 --> 00:17:50,770 and when it went public in 1966 would 347 00:17:58,200 --> 00:17:54,280 want to happen they didn't want anything 348 00:17:59,850 --> 00:17:58,210 to reduce their credibility and then of 349 00:18:02,630 --> 00:17:59,860 course they were debunkers they were 350 00:18:05,220 --> 00:18:02,640 dissing formants who came along who 351 00:18:08,880 --> 00:18:05,230 attempted to destroy Betty's and 352 00:18:09,910 --> 00:18:08,890 Barney's lives who dis informed the 353 00:18:12,760 --> 00:18:09,920 public about 354 00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:12,770 what actually did happen and about this 355 00:18:17,470 --> 00:18:14,960 story about Betty's and Barney's 356 00:18:19,870 --> 00:18:17,480 character and about the kind of people 357 00:18:23,980 --> 00:18:19,880 they were and that's why I speak up 358 00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:23,990 today I have the documented evidence if 359 00:18:30,580 --> 00:18:27,830 anyone is interested in seeing that some 360 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:30,590 of these references are in my book with 361 00:18:37,300 --> 00:18:33,410 Stanton Frieden captured the Betty and 362 00:18:42,370 --> 00:18:37,310 Barney Hill UFO experience and you can 363 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:42,380 go to my website at Kathleen - Mardon ma 364 00:18:48,850 --> 00:18:46,490 r de n calm and there's a lot of 365 00:18:53,190 --> 00:18:48,860 information there about Betty's and 366 00:18:56,980 --> 00:18:53,200 Barney's case and I would be happy to 367 00:19:01,120 --> 00:18:56,990 show these documents to individuals who 368 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:01,130 would like to see them it is true the 369 00:19:06,970 --> 00:19:04,250 documented evidence is there well I know 370 00:19:11,440 --> 00:19:06,980 that everybody probably wants to know 371 00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:11,450 what was revealed under hypnosis these 372 00:19:17,770 --> 00:19:13,520 separate hypnosis sessions with dr. 373 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:17,780 Benjamin Simon he began with Betty and 374 00:19:25,570 --> 00:19:20,210 Barney separately with the beginning of 375 00:19:28,420 --> 00:19:25,580 their trip and he asked each of them to 376 00:19:31,900 --> 00:19:28,430 recount what happened at every step 377 00:19:35,620 --> 00:19:31,910 along that trip where they stayed what 378 00:19:39,070 --> 00:19:35,630 they saw how much time they spent at 379 00:19:41,860 --> 00:19:39,080 every stop they made and then he led 380 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:41,870 both of them separately up to the point 381 00:19:46,570 --> 00:19:44,330 of the sighting also through the 382 00:19:50,710 --> 00:19:46,580 sighting that I have already told you 383 00:19:54,010 --> 00:19:50,720 about and then to the point wolf of what 384 00:19:56,650 --> 00:19:54,020 happened after that UFO was hovering 385 00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:56,660 above their vehicle and they heard these 386 00:20:03,100 --> 00:19:58,880 buzzing sounds striking the trunk of the 387 00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:03,110 car that period of missing time Betty 388 00:20:07,540 --> 00:20:04,400 and Barney 389 00:20:10,290 --> 00:20:07,550 each paused during the hypnosis sessions 390 00:20:15,970 --> 00:20:10,300 and they seemed a little confused and 391 00:20:18,190 --> 00:20:15,980 then they each said separately we're in 392 00:20:21,730 --> 00:20:18,200 a different location there are tall 393 00:20:23,529 --> 00:20:21,740 trees all around we don't know where we 394 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:23,539 are 395 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:25,970 and then they found themselves turning 396 00:20:32,229 --> 00:20:29,210 onto a dirt road there were in the 397 00:20:34,149 --> 00:20:32,239 middle of nowhere there were tall trees 398 00:20:38,649 --> 00:20:34,159 all around and there was a light up 399 00:20:42,340 --> 00:20:38,659 ahead a red glowing light and then they 400 00:20:45,180 --> 00:20:42,350 saw figures in the road and they had a 401 00:20:48,820 --> 00:20:45,190 discussion about what those figures were 402 00:20:52,629 --> 00:20:48,830 is there an accident ahead is this a 403 00:20:54,879 --> 00:20:52,639 robbery they didn't know but then those 404 00:20:56,499 --> 00:20:54,889 figures started to approach them and 405 00:20:59,649 --> 00:20:56,509 Barney said Betty 406 00:21:02,649 --> 00:20:59,659 it's the ones I saw in the field and she 407 00:21:05,049 --> 00:21:02,659 became terrified she went to open the 408 00:21:09,399 --> 00:21:05,059 DES car door she was going to run into 409 00:21:13,299 --> 00:21:09,409 the woods and hide but they intercepted 410 00:21:17,229 --> 00:21:13,309 her before she could do that and she 411 00:21:21,070 --> 00:21:17,239 lost consciousness at that point Barney 412 00:21:24,009 --> 00:21:21,080 opened his car door he stepped out he 413 00:21:26,669 --> 00:21:24,019 had a pistol he thought about going for 414 00:21:31,419 --> 00:21:26,679 it but he was afraid he would be harmed 415 00:21:34,779 --> 00:21:31,429 he and Betty were taken down a dirt path 416 00:21:40,299 --> 00:21:34,789 through the woods this is when Barney 417 00:21:44,499 --> 00:21:40,309 said that he could feel the toes of his 418 00:21:48,039 --> 00:21:44,509 shoes bumping along the pebbles along 419 00:21:50,589 --> 00:21:48,049 that path he felt as if he were floating 420 00:21:54,070 --> 00:21:50,599 as if his arms were outstretched and 421 00:21:57,659 --> 00:21:54,080 only the toes of his shoes were touching 422 00:22:01,269 --> 00:21:57,669 the ground and he could then feel his 423 00:22:03,789 --> 00:22:01,279 the toes of his shoes slide up what he 424 00:22:05,799 --> 00:22:03,799 thought was a ramp and they bumped at 425 00:22:09,669 --> 00:22:05,809 the top of this ramp as if it were 426 00:22:12,669 --> 00:22:09,679 elevated and then he was taken into an 427 00:22:15,849 --> 00:22:12,679 examining room he was able to open his 428 00:22:18,940 --> 00:22:15,859 eyes at that point and he was placed on 429 00:22:21,969 --> 00:22:18,950 a table and there was a period of 430 00:22:25,839 --> 00:22:21,979 waiting for him as he was lying on that 431 00:22:27,879 --> 00:22:25,849 table Betty said that she regained 432 00:22:32,830 --> 00:22:27,889 consciousness as she was being taken 433 00:22:34,839 --> 00:22:32,840 down this path and as she was being 434 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:34,849 escorted by two of these non-human 435 00:22:39,860 --> 00:22:37,170 entities who were pretty short 436 00:22:43,570 --> 00:22:39,870 they were what we think of as little 437 00:22:47,660 --> 00:22:43,580 greys they had large heads small bodies 438 00:22:51,170 --> 00:22:47,670 they were taking her trying to take her 439 00:22:54,820 --> 00:22:51,180 up this ramp and she fought for her life 440 00:22:57,230 --> 00:22:54,830 she didn't know if she was going to be 441 00:22:59,240 --> 00:22:57,240 experimented on if she was going to be 442 00:23:01,880 --> 00:22:59,250 killed if she was going to be taken to 443 00:23:03,770 --> 00:23:01,890 some distant planet and exhibited in a 444 00:23:06,410 --> 00:23:03,780 zoo she didn't know what was going to 445 00:23:08,990 --> 00:23:06,420 happen to her she fought for her life 446 00:23:12,890 --> 00:23:09,000 and she kicked one of those small 447 00:23:16,850 --> 00:23:12,900 entities and that is when her dress was 448 00:23:19,100 --> 00:23:16,860 torn high at the hem and the lining of 449 00:23:21,410 --> 00:23:19,110 the dress she was they regained control 450 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:21,420 of her they took her up this ramp and 451 00:23:26,210 --> 00:23:24,000 into a separate examining room they 452 00:23:29,060 --> 00:23:26,220 placed her in what was sort of like a 453 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:29,070 dentist chair at first or like a shade 454 00:23:35,810 --> 00:23:33,810 lounge and they examined her skin they 455 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:35,820 did the same thing to Barney they were 456 00:23:40,580 --> 00:23:38,010 very interested in their skeletal 457 00:23:43,100 --> 00:23:40,590 structure in their joints in their 458 00:23:44,630 --> 00:23:43,110 nervous system Betty and Barney thought 459 00:23:46,660 --> 00:23:44,640 that they were attempting to determine 460 00:23:51,350 --> 00:23:46,670 the differences between humans and 461 00:23:54,020 --> 00:23:51,360 themselves Betty was then placed on a 462 00:23:56,030 --> 00:23:54,030 table her dress was removed first she 463 00:23:59,360 --> 00:23:56,040 was still dressed in her slip and her 464 00:24:01,010 --> 00:23:59,370 underwear the slip was pushed up and the 465 00:24:04,310 --> 00:24:01,020 one that she called the examiner 466 00:24:06,170 --> 00:24:04,320 produced a large needle and she became 467 00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,180 terrified she said what are you going to 468 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:08,640 do with that and he said oh it's only a 469 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:11,850 simple test we're going to put it into 470 00:24:16,340 --> 00:24:13,650 your navel and and all of his 471 00:24:20,290 --> 00:24:16,350 communication was telepathic they 472 00:24:25,370 --> 00:24:20,300 understood these individuals in English 473 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:25,380 with an accent and he the examiner said 474 00:24:31,120 --> 00:24:28,170 - but Betty oh it won't hurt more only 475 00:24:34,100 --> 00:24:31,130 going to insert it into your navel and 476 00:24:37,820 --> 00:24:34,110 she said don't do it don't do it it's 477 00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:37,830 going to hurt and he thrust it into her 478 00:24:45,470 --> 00:24:41,490 navel anyway and it caused such a degree 479 00:24:49,820 --> 00:24:45,480 of trauma for her so much pain that dr. 480 00:24:53,290 --> 00:24:49,830 Simon had to end the session early but 481 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:53,300 the leader who was standing by her head 482 00:25:01,580 --> 00:24:56,880 did something in the area of her temple 483 00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:01,590 or her eyes he saw her his hand and at 484 00:25:09,350 --> 00:25:05,120 this point all of the pain went away 485 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:09,360 I've heard this over and over again in 486 00:25:15,100 --> 00:25:12,690 the experiences that I have interviewed 487 00:25:18,770 --> 00:25:15,110 and I've interviewed over a thousand 488 00:25:22,130 --> 00:25:18,780 this has happened when pain is inflicted 489 00:25:25,570 --> 00:25:22,140 I wish it wasn't inflicted at all but 490 00:25:29,660 --> 00:25:25,580 when this occurs it is taken away nearly 491 00:25:34,070 --> 00:25:29,670 immediately at this point she started to 492 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:34,080 trust this leader she was able to get 493 00:25:40,730 --> 00:25:37,650 dressed again the examiner went in to 494 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:40,740 examine Barney and she was left alone in 495 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:43,290 the room with this leader at this point 496 00:25:48,710 --> 00:25:46,050 she said I know you're not from around 497 00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:48,720 here where are you from where's your 498 00:25:55,490 --> 00:25:52,020 home port and he produced a three 499 00:25:58,550 --> 00:25:55,500 dimensional star map there are about 16 500 00:26:02,720 --> 00:25:58,560 stars on this map they were different 501 00:26:04,940 --> 00:26:02,730 colors and different sizes and he was 502 00:26:07,250 --> 00:26:04,950 able to show her some that were 503 00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:07,260 connected by solid lines there were two 504 00:26:13,070 --> 00:26:10,350 is largest nickles in the foreground of 505 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:13,080 that map there were others that were the 506 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:16,530 size of pinpoints and or maybe even the 507 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:19,290 head of a pen and others that were only 508 00:26:24,410 --> 00:26:21,930 dots and some were connected by solid 509 00:26:28,130 --> 00:26:24,420 lines meaning that these were places 510 00:26:30,910 --> 00:26:28,140 that they traveled to on a regular basis 511 00:26:34,630 --> 00:26:30,920 there were others that were only 512 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:34,640 expeditions connected by dotted lines 513 00:26:40,940 --> 00:26:37,730 dr. Simon gave Betty the post hypnotic 514 00:26:42,820 --> 00:26:40,950 suggestion that if she could remember 515 00:26:46,550 --> 00:26:42,830 this and she could remember it 516 00:26:49,070 --> 00:26:46,560 accurately without causing her too many 517 00:26:51,950 --> 00:26:49,080 emotional problems then she would be 518 00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:51,960 able to go home and sketch it and she 519 00:27:00,140 --> 00:26:57,120 did sketch it it was later examined by 520 00:27:02,210 --> 00:27:00,150 Margery fish who was a brilliant woman 521 00:27:05,139 --> 00:27:02,220 from Ohio 522 00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:05,149 and Marjorie was a schoolteacher and 523 00:27:08,419 --> 00:27:07,919 amateur astronomer she was a member of 524 00:27:11,930 --> 00:27:08,429 Mensa 525 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:11,940 meaning that she had a genius IQ she 526 00:27:17,659 --> 00:27:14,730 went to the local university and she 527 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:17,669 copied distance data from astronomical 528 00:27:22,940 --> 00:27:20,970 catalogues we didn't have Xerox machines 529 00:27:24,940 --> 00:27:22,950 and we didn't have computers that she 530 00:27:28,930 --> 00:27:24,950 could refer to it's much easier today 531 00:27:32,289 --> 00:27:28,940 but she took that distance data home and 532 00:27:37,249 --> 00:27:32,299 she began to construct three-dimensional 533 00:27:41,690 --> 00:27:37,259 models of the star system that Betty had 534 00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:41,700 sketched and she went out 55 light-years 535 00:27:51,379 --> 00:27:48,120 in all she ended up constructing 26 of 536 00:27:55,299 --> 00:27:51,389 these models she went to a tremendous 537 00:27:59,450 --> 00:27:55,309 effort and imagine the work she did 538 00:28:02,930 --> 00:27:59,460 mathematically to figure out where to 539 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:02,940 put every one of these stars in its 540 00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:08,970 proper location on this map and in 1972 541 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:13,289 she still had not identified that star 542 00:28:19,730 --> 00:28:15,809 system initially she thought it would be 543 00:28:21,409 --> 00:28:19,740 very easy it wasn't and it was ended up 544 00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:21,419 being quite frustrating but she 545 00:28:28,580 --> 00:28:24,409 continued on building these models 546 00:28:31,820 --> 00:28:28,590 changing these stars in location as new 547 00:28:36,619 --> 00:28:31,830 distance data was released and in the 548 00:28:39,710 --> 00:28:36,629 end in 1972 a new astronomical catalog 549 00:28:43,580 --> 00:28:39,720 was released she changed some of these 550 00:28:47,299 --> 00:28:43,590 stars and she had a match for the map 551 00:28:49,659 --> 00:28:47,309 that Betty had drawn this is where my 552 00:28:54,139 --> 00:28:49,669 colleague Stanton Friedman came in 553 00:28:55,009 --> 00:28:54,149 because he was asked to meet with 554 00:28:58,730 --> 00:28:55,019 Marjorie 555 00:29:01,509 --> 00:28:58,740 he was were impressed with her with her 556 00:29:04,389 --> 00:29:01,519 intelligence with her commitment to her 557 00:29:07,399 --> 00:29:04,399 accuracy and he was able to find 558 00:29:09,830 --> 00:29:07,409 astronomers who were able to vet her 559 00:29:13,940 --> 00:29:09,840 work and they discovered that her work 560 00:29:15,650 --> 00:29:13,950 was accurate that these two stars in the 561 00:29:18,860 --> 00:29:15,660 foreground 562 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:18,870 or the Zeta Reticuli star system Zeta 563 00:29:25,490 --> 00:29:23,010 Reticuli 1 and Zeta Reticuli 2 located 564 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:25,500 in the southern hemisphere you can only 565 00:29:32,180 --> 00:29:27,570 see them in from the southern hemisphere 566 00:29:35,510 --> 00:29:32,190 of this earth the earth are our Sun was 567 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:35,520 also on this map and the other star 568 00:29:46,130 --> 00:29:39,890 systems were on this map as well and 569 00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:46,140 what they discovered was that all of the 570 00:29:53,420 --> 00:29:49,980 stars on Betty's map were believed to be 571 00:29:58,550 --> 00:29:53,430 sun-like stars at that period of time 572 00:30:01,670 --> 00:29:58,560 and only 5% of the stars in our local 573 00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:01,680 galactic neighborhood were sun-like so 574 00:30:06,800 --> 00:30:04,440 this was extraordinary the chance of 575 00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:06,810 this happening merely by chance was 576 00:30:13,930 --> 00:30:09,330 estimated to be anywhere from 1 in 577 00:30:16,340 --> 00:30:13,940 10,000 to 1 in a million and so many 578 00:30:18,770 --> 00:30:16,350 scientists began to believe that this 579 00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:18,780 was true based upon the star map which 580 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:22,080 was very controversial other scientists 581 00:30:26,780 --> 00:30:23,970 believed it was true because of the 582 00:30:29,810 --> 00:30:26,790 degree of evidence and the examination 583 00:30:33,530 --> 00:30:29,820 of that other evidence betty was also 584 00:30:36,650 --> 00:30:33,540 shown symbol on that craft in what 585 00:30:38,750 --> 00:30:36,660 appeared to be a tablet of what we think 586 00:30:41,570 --> 00:30:38,760 of today in the way she described it to 587 00:30:44,170 --> 00:30:41,580 me in the year 2000 I asked her to 588 00:30:47,210 --> 00:30:44,180 sketch those symbols for memory after 589 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:47,220 those symbols were published in my book 590 00:30:54,410 --> 00:30:49,290 captured the Betty and Barney Hill UFO 591 00:30:57,260 --> 00:30:54,420 experience in 2007 dr. Don see Don Derry 592 00:31:01,430 --> 00:30:57,270 from McGill University did a symbol 593 00:31:04,430 --> 00:31:01,440 study with Stuart Appel from the State 594 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:04,440 University of New York at Brockport they 595 00:31:10,490 --> 00:31:07,770 used symbols that Budd Hopkins the 596 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:10,500 famous UFO abduction researcher Budd 597 00:31:17,990 --> 00:31:14,370 Hopkins experiencers had sketched under 598 00:31:21,860 --> 00:31:18,000 hypnosis and they used to control groups 599 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:21,870 of graduate students who hadn't had UFO 600 00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,930 abductions and then they compared these 601 00:31:29,430 --> 00:31:28,080 symbols and they determined that the 602 00:31:32,220 --> 00:31:29,440 symbols drawn 603 00:31:35,129 --> 00:31:32,230 Budd Hopkins experiencers were very 604 00:31:38,580 --> 00:31:35,139 similar very much alike and very 605 00:31:42,299 --> 00:31:38,590 different from the symbols drawn by both 606 00:31:47,999 --> 00:31:42,309 of these groups of graduate students 607 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:48,009 then dr. Don Don dairy compared those to 608 00:31:55,259 --> 00:31:51,250 Betty's symbols that he saw in my book 609 00:31:58,710 --> 00:31:55,269 in 2007 and he made the statement that 610 00:32:02,330 --> 00:31:58,720 Betty symbols were nearly identical to 611 00:32:05,810 --> 00:32:02,340 the symbols drawn by Budd Hopkins 612 00:32:09,539 --> 00:32:05,820 experiencers dating all the way back to 613 00:32:14,310 --> 00:32:09,549 1975 so there is additional evidence 614 00:32:46,260 --> 00:32:44,440 [Music]